hehe, see what you did there? i did, you completely ignored the fact that cloaking requires a module, a HIGH SLOT module.

so even a cloaker IS NOT SAFE, if he TRIES anything or gets found, if he doesnt fix his **** quick, he is fighting with 1 less high-slot, and in alot of fights, that can make a difference

I hate to burst your bubble, but a warp scramble shuts off Micro Warp Drives. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of a good yarn.

Horsecrap. Gatherin intel in preparations for an op can mean you have a cloaked vessel in there watching the enemy for days or weeks while cloaked up off the pos. It's the difference between a successful op and not knowing what you're getting in to.

GǪand you're breaking that intel gathering with your proposal.
No you can't, for the simple reason that you are always detected. Local ensures this.
GǪand with your proposal, that is no longer possible because you want to enforce strict limits to how much you are allowed to GǣneedGǥ. All for no sufficiently explained reason.
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My only question was Gǣ[the problem arises when players uses ships not intended for cov-ops roles] such asGǪ?Gǥ so I presume this is what you mean?

SoGǪ how is does that fall outside of the intended use of cloaks or non-covops ships?

Of course it would be a problem. A big problem. This pilot is industrial/scanner. Flies a magnate for scanning. Pops into a hole, hits dscan while still cloaked from the hole, and if that's clear will drop probes, cloak and scan.

Why you still trying to nerf my hole, bro?

Here: I fix for you.

Well one thing we can gather from your invented statistics, is that you believe that cloaking isn't safe and they can be caught. Good to know.

EVE had mines a long while back, but they were removed because people kept abusing the **** out of them.

Optimist much? Fuel was rejected because it "broke long-term intel gathering deployments", and doing something was rejected because ... eh, I guess the funniest objection I saw was "it would just be botted away".

So lets see. If I ran an alliance I could tell 6 anticloakers to secure the system. And ill pay them each 100 million per hour. I could then tell my BlingSheep Fleet to begin harvesting all bounties and sites in the system and charge them 25% tax. I could tell the PimpedOutRockHumper Fleet to begin strip mining the asteroids in their best fits and charge them a 25% mineral tax.

And when we were done we could move on to the next system.

Like a swarm of locust.

And as I did this the allure and safety would harvest more recruits to further expand our proliferation. Multiple systems at once.

Add 1 escort to any fleet for each unidentified cloaker in system , might I suggest EWAR of which im a month and a half training away from being all elite certed in, and watch how no one dies to those level 5 cloakers anymore.

You are arguing that fail corps and alliances exist, i'm arguing genius level superconglomerates exist. I know admitting defeat is rough but we can't balance the game based on how it will be exploited by the naive and lazy. We absolutely must balance the game based on what the ingenious and ambitious will exploit.

What you want is a slight in your mind, chance at circumventing risk to allow for a measure of safety in regions you aren't meant to have any. In situations that you are meant to have zero safety while in. And the answer unapologetically and politely is, no. No, you may not have that.

Refresh my memory. Your solution is what? Movement? If i'm laying in ambush with a cloaked drake in an asteroid belt waiting for a unsuspecting miner to wander into my web the movement would make doing so incredibly tedious.

If i'm in a covert ops ship near your base i'd orbit at whatever distance I felt reasonably safe in doing so which would result in movement and making the solution an exercise in futility.

What about station afk? Are we going to eject people automatically?

The answer is no.

Mmmm, botting. Just what the doctor ordered.

The tears I suckle from you marks knowing no change to cloaking is coming and that all your dreams of blissful isk farming in nullsexy are never going to come true makes me feel alive.

The disappointment you endure everyday wanting to mine a fortune in minerals, scanning sites or farming rats that's ruined by the fact you can't find one person willing to accompany you is heaven sent. Knowing my skill plays to that human ineptness and that I alone can hold so much power and act as a grey cloud on your otherwise sunny day makes me horny.

Knowing Tippia is on our side makes me confident. Knowing you're carebears in a critical mass of thieves and cutthroats makes me giggle.

Devs response to breaking cloaks

Caliph's video response to the proposal

Since you mention how good the cloak is on non-covert-ops ships, I keep wondering if you actually fitted those mods yourself?

That right there is your problem. "I want to use my grind ships for maximum income even though I know there is an enemy in system". Well, you can but you'll get killed when he notices.

This is how it works. The risk on his side is that you're bait, Try being bait with a couple of people waiting to warp in on you or use cloaked ships yourself to jump him when he jumps you.

There are already counters in the game to attacks by cloaked ships as has been stated before by several people. Try using them instead of complaining that you can't do pvp in pve ships.